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Real location of Mt Sinai? Mount Sinai in Arabia: in Holy Bible |
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What's The
Real Location Of Mt Sinai?
The Real Location of "mount Sinai in Arabia"? Mount Sinai in Arabia: Galatians 4:25, Holy Bible "Grace unto you,
and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" Off Site Links Suggest 2 Other Locations for Mt Sinai (Horeb): - Jebel el Lawz: situated in Saudi Arabia on other side of the Red Sea - Mount Karkom: situated half way between Kadesh Barnea & Petra Map shows three possible locations: 1. Traditional Site: Sinai Pennisula 2. Mount Karkom (Har Karkom) 3. Jebel el Lawz: in Saudi 'Arabia' Perhaps Mt Sinai is not located at the
traditional
Jebel Musa location
I found Anchor Stone
International web site's story on Mt
Sinai/Mt Horeb, suggesting Mount Sinai in Arabia (at Jebel el
Lawz
instead of the traditional Jebel Musa site on the Sinai
Peninsula), to
be both an interesting and
evidential story. However it simply proves what Paul The Apostle already
said in Galatians 4:25 "mount Sinai in
Arabia". So the real location of mount Sinai in Arabia is perhaps not
in Egypt
on
a Sinai
Peninsula as thought by many(deceived by many shall come to deceive);
but as The Apostle Paul says: "mount Sinai in Arabia".Perhaps the location is not as important as
the moral of such allegory
Since the Bible self-defines itself as "allegory" &
"mystery": allegoric
mystery, perhaps the real location of Mt Sinai isn't as important
as the moral about such a mountain of Laws: that Laws cut in stone are
Horeb-bull, Wrath-full, Destructive rather than Constructive. For all
saved out of Egypt were both saved and destroyed after: Jude 5. Grace
is Constructive, never Destructive. By grace we are saved (only). By
grace + law it's both saved + destroyed, thereby denoting law is
destructive. Law, being "both good and evil" ends with "evil" as the latter end. So the
exhortation to both man & woman is "sin(law) no more", and the
reason given is: lest a worse thing happen as your latter end.A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump
Some other web sites seem mad about such truth out, and even
try
to refute it; For it makes their sacred tradition faulty, and if "a
little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump", perhaps it makes all their legalistic
religious beliefs faulty. "Forgive them",
for them
"know not" the
overall objective is not to "believe" (devils "believe": James
2:19; so "believe not" every spirit: 1John 4). The overall
objective is to "know" (ye shall "know" the truth and the
truth shall make you free):
John 8:32. For know-ing the truth(grace) makes you free of
believe-ing the lie(law)... which things are an "allegory": Galatians
4:24, and also "mystery"(noted over 20 times). Yet
there's nothing covered or hid that's also not uncovered and made
known: Luke 12:2, by
"seek and ye shall find"..."find grace", "in time": Hebrews 4: 12.The truth is to be learn-ed, real-ized, not
rammed
down your throat
Others would have the real location of Mt Sinai legalistically
rammed down everyone's
throat, unaware
it could worse end the Hatfields vs McCoys middle-east
feud, perhaps even start the awful lawful mother of all wars: muslims
vs jews and carnal
christians (them
vs them: who "oppose them-selves"). For traditionally the law of
God given by Moses
at Mt Sinai is sacred to them; So Mt Sinai is considered a sacred
Jewish site. Not to mention Jews believe they have the G-d given
monopoly on making a site sacred and on making money. However the G-d they serve is the Law
God on "high" in the "heavens"; Not the only true God and the only wise God
Who "is" (not
was nor will be) notably in "heaven": "higher than the
heavens"... of two
Gods portrayed in the Bible. Cast out the bondwoman AND her son:
Galatians 4
However I say it shouldn't matter where the real location of
Mount
Sinai is, not to
Christians, Jews, or Muslims; For in my Bible all such Mount
Sinai Horeb Bull should
be flushed as if
"dung" to
establish
grace mercy peace. For the (singular) script-u-are (of plural and
contrary law vs grace scriptures) saith: "cast out the bondwoman and her son",
which is allegorical for cast out the law and the result of
law: sin & death; not to mention torment and infirimites.The POINT of Galatians 4: the Holy Bible is
Allegory: Allegoric
Mystery
The POINT in Galatians 4, besides the theme noted in the
very first verse: that the
heir differeth
nothing from a servant
(knows not,
needs to be told what to Do-teronomy & Don't-eronomy) as
long as he is a child (perhaps
more the child of hell:
Mt 23); Said
theme found in all Pauline epistles according
to converted Peter: be not ignorant,
nor
childish: Grow up, and "grow in grace" even beyond up-right to all-right (higher than the
heavens)... POINT is not so much the real location of Mount
Sinai in Arabia, but
that the two covenants are "allegory", which
essentially says the entire Bible is allegoric... True,
but also truly an allegory, a shew
written aforetime
for our learning...
perhaps to go and learn what meaneth "I will have mercy,
and not sacrifice"(Matthew 9:13, which JC repeated from
Hosea 6:6, and as a go figure what it meaneth)Both "covenants" are "allegory", making the
whole Bible allegory-ic
The "two covenants" (testaments,
testimonies) ... "are an allegory" (Galatians 4): - one is from mount
Sinai,
which gendereth to bondage (law: the lie)
A grace walk,
from Sinai
to Sion, is through
the
valley of the shadow
of death.- one is from mount Sion, where both God & Son dwell (grace: the truth) Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (Jn 1:17) Law
vs Grace are allegorically compared as if two mountains
the first: the law (and the lie) was given by Moses (it's faulty: Heb 8) the second: but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ... John 1:17 Mt Sinai (Law & lie): is a "not come" Mt Sion (Grace & truth): is a "come" He taketh away the first (cause
it's all
vanity and vexation of spirit: Solomon),
that he may establish the second (I do not frustrate the grace of God: Paul) ...................................................................
Off Site Video of Mt Sinai (Mount Sinai in Arabia) (For lots more U Tube videos on
Mt Sinai scroll down and search Mt Sinai)
(search also for The Exodus and the Red Sea Crossing ... of Ron Wyatt) ....................................................................
Arab
Name for Mt Sinai: Jebel el Lawz (Jabal al Lawz): Mountain of Law
The thing I found most interesting about the Mt Sinai/Horeb
evidential
story of Anchor Stone web site was not that Jebel el
Lawz (the mountain of Musa: Moses) was the
highest peak in
the entire NW Saudi Arabia region, nor that is was even blackened at
the top; But that it had twin peaks,
as if double heads.
For
such is concurrent with biblical allegory, and the biblical emblem
having two crowns upon a book open proper, but only one the
size of both crowns beneath. Such denotes grace + law (dblemindeadness:
all vanity and vexation of spirit) becomes grace vs law
("division") with only
one
winner take all in such a final shewdown:
"either make the tree good (grace) or evil (law)".
Law is both;
And Hebrews 5:14
exhorts us to "discern(avoid) both good and evil": A void law.It's Law vs Grace, not Grace(Life) + Law(Death) = Dead End
Paul
The
Apostle (as an Hebrew
of the Hebrews, or grace of law vs grace) told Hebrew
"babes"
not yet weaned
from the milky way of law to discern
both good + evil is an oxymoron with a bad end all their law
priests had in Hebrews
7:23, a good + evil
end all satanic ministers shall have
(as noted in 2Corinthians 11:15), the end of life +
death = dead end... the end law
faith heroes had in Hebrews
11: "these all
died" and "received not
the promise"; Which is not "the end" we're J->C exhorted to "endure unto"
to be "saved"(graced)
only. For as Paul: "The Apostle" ("his
witness unto all men")
allegorically
teaches, such dead end is the result of mixing "contrary things": grace(is) + law(added),
which is
as blessed + cursed = accursed in Galatian 1:9. Such grace + law
also got all who followed Moses out of Egypt both saved +
destroyed afterward (as noted in Jude 5). So then grace
+ law is as if being
saved(graced)
+ destroyed(lawed)
afterward.Numbers gives the accounting, shewing none of those saved out of Egypt entered into the promised land. For all the Jesus and Pauline no enter lists of law, when combined, notably prohibit all from entering the kingdom of God, since the throne thereof is a "throne of grace" (Hebrews 4:16), with only one God on it: "the God of all grace"(1Peter 5:10), the blessed and only Potentate. Numbers also reveals the first mention of Amen in the Bible (Numbers 5:22) was a double "Amen, amen" of the woman (church) to being both blessed + cursed by her priest. So it is written that the woman, "being deceived", was "in the transgression" (1Timothy 2:14). But "where no law there no transgression" (Romans 4:15). So the woman (church) was in the law (transgression). The allegory for in the law is grace + law, since grace always "is", and law was "added". Such was as adding death to life, making life + death = a dead end... notably a dead end for all: "as in Adam all die". Hence Revelation, which concludes the Holy Bible containing Old and New Testaments, concludes with a singular "Amen" to His "grace" with "you all", and the same conclusion as found in Hebrews: a mini bible itself; Pure grace therein called perfection (Hebrews 6:1). It seems it was as a childish blame game for Hebrews to be in a valley of decision and have two groups on opposing sides shout blessing and cursing unto the people below, obviously not realizing blessed + cursed = accursed, evidently a bad ending for all if "there is no respect of persons with God" and "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump". Not to mention "cursed EVERYONE that hangeth on a tree" mentioned in Galatains, to "bewitched". It seems all their blind faith heroes endead in a hALL of shame: Hebrews 11, where it notes "these all died" and "received not the promise"... an oops of biblical proportion, like saved + destroyed afterward leads to destruction, even the dinosour-ish sort noted by Gandhi: extinction. Hence James refers to both grace + law as devilish wisdom of two wisdoms compared, wisdom from above (Grace unto you from God our Father) being firstly pure in James 3:17, like pure religion (pure grace) is firstly undefiled in James 1:27. Hence we find Paul The Apostle, writer of more NT writings than all other (six) NT writers combined, using a Pauline Epistle format, has three parts: greeting(head), discussion(body), salutation(footer). In such we find the greeting and saluting of brethren is with a holy kiss of grace to you and you all. Such is firstly pure (Grace unto you... from God our Father) and lastly unspotted (Grace with you all); just as JC 's visit to those afflicted with a bad case of life + death = a dead end, notably as pure religion, was firstly undefiled and remained unspotted. So contrary to popular unbelief, JC neither obeyed nor disobeyed any law at all, but rather did and said all by grace alone; for law does not permit all things, being limited to not all things, perhaps like a tree short of a forest due to a lousy tree law, a fry short of a happy meal due to not all fries allowed, a lie short of all truth, thereby dying short of eternal life. Related
Web Sites: The grace
of our Lord Jesus
Christ with you
all. Amen.
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Also Posted: ----- Original Message ----- From:
Marilyn Agee
To: Daniel Miles
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:59 PM
Subject: RE: Mt Sinai location
Hi:
Mt
Sinai is not located at the traditional Jebel Musa location
I found Anchor Stone
International web site's story on Mt
Sinai/Mt Horeb, proving Mount Sinai in Arabia (at Jebel el
Lawz instead of the traditional Jebel Musa site
on the Sinai
Pennisula), to be both an interesting and
evidential story. However it simply proves what Paul The Apostle already said in Galatians 4:25 "mount Sinai in Arabia". So the real location of mount
Sinai in Arabia is not in Egypt on a Sinai Pennisula as thought by
many; but Mount Sinai [is] in Arabia.
Arab
Name for Mt Sinai: Jebel el Lawz (Jabal al Lawz): Mountain of Law
The thing I found most interesting about the Mt Sinai/Horeb evidential story of Anchor Stone web site was not that Jebel el Lawz (the mountain of Musa: Moses) was the highest peak in the entire NW Saudi Arabia region, nor that is was even blackened at the top; But that it had twin peaks, as if double heads. Please do a little more research on
the location of Mt. Sinai. Don't be too quick to take Mt. Sinai out of
the Sinai Peninsula. I don't want you to be misled by Ron Wyatt's
claims. He must not have known that the Sinai Peninsula was called
Arabia Petrea.
Therefore, he thought Mt. Sinai was
in the modern Saudi Arabia. To me, that is impossible.
Also, look at Jebel Musa in the
southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula. Is there enough room for a large
group of people and animals to circle Jebel Musa? I don't think so.
Is Jebel Musa in the desert? No. It is in the mountains.
Mt. Sinai is in the desert in the
NE quadrant of the Sinai Peninsula. You can pick out its knob
in a photo made from the Space Station (STS 40).
Ex. 15:22 says, "Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and THEY WENT
OUT INTO THE WILDERNESS (midbar, desert) OF SHUR;
and THEY WENT THREE DAYS IN THE WILDERNESS (midbar, desert) AND FOUND
NO WATER." Ex. 19:13 says, "now she is planted in the
wilderness (midbar), IN A DRY AND THIRSTY GROUND."
Mt. Sinai was in Arabia Petrea, not
in the land of Midian, which was in what is Saudi Arabia today.
Look at the map. The Israelites left Egypt about where The Way to
the Land of the Philistines starts. They headed straight for The
Wilderness of Shur, which is in the wide desert
strip that borders the Mediterranean Sea. The road called The
Way to Shur goes from Egypt to the Wilderness of Shur and on into the
Negeb/Negev. A map in my Bible has a line called The Way to Shur. The children of Israel never left the desert on the way to
Mt. Sinai. It stands to reason that Mt. Sinai was in the Sinai
Peninsula. It was along the Way to Shur (a little lower
than the word "Shur" on this map). It was near the Brook of Egypt
that empties into the Mediterranean Sea.
There
also was the Desert of Zin and The Desert of Paran, both in the Sinai
Peninsula. Nu. 20:1 says, "Then came the children
of Israel, even the whole congregation, into the DESERT (midbar) OF ZIN
in the first month: and the people abode in KADESH; and Miriam died
there, and was buried there."
Nu. 27:14 says, "For ye rebelled
against my commandment in the DESERT (midbar) OF ZIN, in the
strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their
eyes: that is the water of Meribah in KADESH in the WILDERNESS (midbar,
desert) OF ZIN."
Gen 20:1 says, "Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and SHUR, and sojourned in Gerar. Gerar is in Judea SE of Gaza, in the coastal desert. Nu. 13:26 says, "they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto THE WILDERNESS (midbar, desert) OF PARAN, TO KADESH; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and shewed them the fruit of THE LAND." Kadesh was about 25 miles away from Mt. Sinai on the border of "THE LAND", i.e., Israel. I Sam. 27:8 says, "David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites: for those nations were of old the inhabitants of THE LAND, as thou goest to SHUR, even unto the land of Egypt." There is no way that the Wilderness of Shur and the Way to Shur could have been in Saudi Arabia. Jg. 11:16 says, "when Israel came up from Egypt, and walked through the wilderness (midbar, desert) unto the Red sea, and came to Kadesh". Mt. Sinai is probably Jebel Helal
in the coastal desert near the Mediterranean Sea. The Israelites did
not take the coastal route called the "Way to the land of the
Philistines." They took the "Way to Shur," which was a little farther
inland, but still in the desert area flanking the coast.
Exodus 18:27
says, "Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his
own land." Therefore, the Midian where his father-in-law dwelt was not
on the Sinai Peninsula. It was in what is now Saudi Arabia.
Agape,
Marilyn Agee
http://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html
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Dear Marilyn Agee,
(ProphecyCorner.com)
Subject: Mt Sinai; Prophecy; Prophets; Signs; Sins; Slam Dunk from God our Father and
the Lord Jesus-->Christ.
Thank You for the information
provided on Mt Sinai (Horeb).
I love scrutiny. I will review
all the evidence on it over again.
Mean while, I've posted your
scrutiny on the Mt Sinai
page.
I have also posted it on Yahoo
Answers & GodShew
Forum.
If required, I will make changes
to Mt Sinai page accordingly.
My POINT,
concerning Mt Sinai (Horeb), is it allegorically represents the law,
given by Moses: John 1:17. When we dare compare
(rather than mix) contrary
things: law vs grace ("COMPARING spiritual things with
spiritual": 1Cor 2:13), we then find law and grace are bible
compared as lie vs truth:
The law (and
surely die lie) was given by Moses,
but grace and
truth(about law) came by Jesus Christ. Jn 1
If the first (old)
were faultless,
no need for the second (new).
Hebrews 8 & 9
To establish grace
(and truth),
we make law (and lie) dead
testator. Hebrews 9
(for the mix-tu-are of
"contrary" things = oxyMORON)
He taketh away
the first(law),
that he might establish
the second(grace). Hebrews 10:9
Law: press DELETE
to take away the "put off": old(1st)
Grace: press SAVE
to establish the "put on": new(2nd)
Not to mention the entire Bible
is self-defined as "allegory"
and as "mystery" over 20 times, written "aforetime" for our "learning":
Romans 15:4. For it is preposterous order to teach or preach 1st and
learn after. So let's learn 1st, and share with others (who teach or
preach 1st) what we've learned; so that we all are one may know instead
of believe; For know-ing the truth makes us free of believe-ing the
lies.
So then taking bible
literal or historical is somewhat ignorant, ignoring the obvious, while
fighting over knats. Said fighting, for peace, is like unto
fornicating, for chastity. Wars do not produce peace, nor
does fornicating produce chastity.
Marilyn, I
would hope that you would also love scrutiny, concerning 'prophecy' and
'prophets' and 'signs' and 'sins':
- whether prophecies,
they shall fail: 1Cor 13:8
- prophecy vs prophesy is as
gloom vs groom; so rather
- prophesy unto men:
edify-->exhort-->unto comfort(only)
- there is no dis-comfort at all
in "the God of
all comfort"
- prophets are called servants;
but we are not
servants
- prophets were under the law;
but we are under grace
- a child and a servant differ
nothing; both are know nots
- forgive "them", for they "know
not" what they do or say
- there is no them vs them
(twain) at all in "us-ward"-->one
- there is no great nor greater
in the "greatest" never faileth
- there is no OT Law nor NT Law
in "the God of all grace"
- an evil & adulterous
generation seeketh a sign: Mt 12 & 16
(pst: adult-erous speaks
of the adults, not of the children)
- it's "evident" no man is
justified by law in the sight of God
- law imputed sin brings
death(not life) upon all (Rom 5); since law is both source and strength
of sin's death sting, and thereby the law is the ministration of
condemnation and death: Rom 5:13; 1Cor 15:56; 2Cor 3:7; Col 2: 22; Jam
1:15
- law imputing any sin is
suicide-all, childish, devilish wisdom
Result of law imputed sin:
cursed EVERY ONE: Galatians 3.
Now, please answer the question
posed unto you:
do you wish to receive our weekly epistle, or
not?
Which is to allegory say: saved (only) by grace (only),
or
do you prefer "saved and destroyed after" (Jude 5)?
The grace (only)
of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
Daniel Miles
Founder of www.GodShew.Org
www leader of 'probating' the will of God our Saviour
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